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I knew a PO in Los Angeles that became very sickly at 80 YO. He was sane, but was angry that the end never came. He started smoking and cursing and never attended the meetings.

After his death his Pioneer daughter said he was angry that the end did not come. I went to Pioneer school in 1982 with him. He was an elder since the 60's and he lost faith.

I assume that many others feel the same way. So many are excited by new light, while others must say, "Ohhh no, I missed college for this?"

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Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk

by Save My Soul in

a (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in hawaii.

gerrit was the keynote speaker.

this occurred 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' (matthew 24:29), referring to the destruction of babylon the great.

Save My Soul

The original notes I recieved were sent in early March (10th) from Sam..............

A P.O. in LA recieved them initially, then sent them to nearly 40 people.

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Do any active witnesses believe the recycled info?

by Save My Soul in

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for those that have associates/family still in the org, do you know how many long-time witnesses feel about the recycled info?

i can not even read the mags.

anymore because they have not changed for 20+ years.. .

For those that have associates/family still in the org, do you know how many long-time witnesses feel about the recycled info? I can not even read the mags. anymore because they have NOT changed for 20+ years.

Again, how do active witnesses feel about the end being soooo close for 100+ years? Are they disapointed? Are they living their lives like normal people??

A long-time elder was excited when he recieved the notes from the Gerrit Loesch talk. What a joke!!!!

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Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk

by Save My Soul in

a (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in hawaii.

gerrit was the keynote speaker.

this occurred 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' (matthew 24:29), referring to the destruction of babylon the great.

Save My Soul

Now I can understand why I pioneered and did not go to college 20 years ago. The end is close. This is a never ending cycle of recycled garbage. I wonder how long-time witnesses feel about this recycled info.

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Notes From Hawaii-Gerrit Losch Talk

by Save My Soul in

a (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in hawaii.

gerrit was the keynote speaker.

this occurred 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' (matthew 24:29), referring to the destruction of babylon the great.

Save My Soul

A (conditional) friend sent me some notes from the talk in Hawaii. Gerrit was the keynote speaker. I am not sure if this was posted already, but enjoy if you have not read this.

Before this talk was given the chairman said the audience could make audio recordings for their personal use but specifically requested that they not make additional copies. Here are notes from someone who was in attendance.

WHAT THE NEAR FUTURE HOLDS

January 27, 2008 ( Hawaii zone visit) - Gerrit Losch

Although we cannot know our individual future, we do know mankind's immediate future (2 Peter 3:17 'You, therefore, beloved ones, having this advanced knowledge.'). God keeps us informed and He cannot lie (Titus 1:2).

What will occur in the near future?

· There will be an international statement or situation where people will cry out 'Peace and Security' ( 1/15/03 Watchtower). This has not yet occurred. We don't know if it will be a desire for peace or a belief that peace has been achieved.

· Matthew 24:14 has been fulfilled (every day 3,000,000 hours are spent in the ministry).

· The Great Tribulation has 3 stages: 1) Destruction of Babylon the Great, 2) Period of time in between Babylon 's destruction and Armageddon, and 3) Armageddon.

· 1) Disgusting thing standing in the holy place (Matthew 24:15, Luke 21:20 )

o This occurred in 66 CE under Cestius Gallus when Jerusalem 's wall was almost undermined. The Roman armies were disgusting because of their idolatrous ensigns. In 70 CE General Titus came to destroy the city.

o Unfaithful Jerusalem pictures unfaithful Christendom. Political nations within the UN will devastate Christendom, but it has not yet begun taking its threatening position against false religion ( 5/1/99 Watchtower, page 16).

§ Terrorists, such as Al-Qaeda, are targeting political nations, not religious organizations.

o Governments will confiscate all religious bank accounts and property. They will probably imprison clergymen and possibly kill them.

o Unless those days were cut short (Matthew 24:22), no flesh will be saved. This referred to the days in 66 CE (not 70 CE). Therefore, the modern application is at the beginning of the Great Tribulation - the destruction of Babylon the Great (not Armageddon). Unless those days were shortened, no flesh (true Christians) would be saved.

· 2) Between 66-70 CE the Jews were divided into factions within Jerusalem . Food ran out and people were prohibited from leaving the city. This occurred 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' (Matthew 24:29), referring to the destruction of Babylon the Great.

o The sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven. The 2/15/94 Watchtower, page 20, indicates that this will likely be frightening phenomena in the sky more impressive than what was observed in Jerusalem .

o Josephus recorded that a comet appeared in Jerusalem in the first century and remained for 1 year (very unusual).

o Matthew 24:30 and Luke 21: 25, 26 indicates that men will beat themselves in lamentation and become faint out of fear. This happens during the Great Tribulation. Don't apply Luke 21:26 about men being 'faint out of fear' to today.

o Luke 21:25 mentions 'the anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation'. Brother Losch said this could also have a literal fulfillment (e.g. tsunamis).

o Luke 21: 27 describes mankind as seeing 'the Son of man coming in a cloud'. This sign is in heaven (not on the earth). Therefore it is not the sign of Jesus' presence, which has many facets here on earth today. Rather, everyone will recognize that what they are seeing is supernatural.

o Matthew 24:34 'this generation will be no means pass away until all these things occur'. The anointed Christians still living will see the fulfillment of all the things foretold regarding the Great Tribulation, including Jesus' execution. However we do not know if they will survive Armageddon and enter the New World .

o There will be a final attack on God's people by the King of the North before Armageddon. We still cannot identify the King of the North and should not speculate (Daniel book page 281). We may not know until the attack on true Christians actually begins. This attack will probably parallel Gog's attack described at Ezekiel 38.

· 3) At Armageddon, everyone will recognize that it is divine judgment (Revelation 1:7 'every eye will see him').

o Zechariah 14:12 'There will be a rotting away of one's flesh, while one is standing upon one's feet; and one's very eyes will rot away in their sockets, and one's very tongue will rot away in one's mouth'. Jehovah may use radiation to destroy the wicked. (Yes, Brother Losch actually said 'radiation').

o The final separation of the sheep and goats will take place at this time.

We must be prepared. At an hour that we do not think it to be, the Son of man is coming (Matthew 24:44).

· Matthew 24:17 'Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house'. How could he flee without coming down from the roof? He would take the outside stairs or ladder, not bothering to go down through the house.

o We must be willing to leave everything behind! The first century Christians had to run - it meant the loss of absolutely everything. But their flesh or lives were saved.

o We will lose our homes, businesses, etc. We may be tested by how we view material things.

o The Christians in the first century fled to the mountains. Jehovah's mountain-like organization will offer protection (God's Kingdom could also be the mountain that we flee to).

Some doubt the nearness of the end because there are still so many to reach:

· There are 1.3 billion people in China (although we are preaching there)

· 1.0 billion in India where 80% have never been witnessed to

· 1.0 billion Muslims (although we are legal in the largest Muslim country, Indonesia , which has a population of 50 million more people than Russia )

But Jesus said that we would by no means complete the circuit of cities (Matthew 10:23 ). He said this after explaining what they should do when people persecute them. We don't know if Jehovah will open up other territories. He could do so in a way we never imagined. Regardless, we know that each life is precious to Him and we should work hard to preach to everyone.

The end is near. Revelation 17:11 described the UN as the eighth and final king. It has already lasted 3 times longer than it did before going into the abyss (as the League of Nations ).

After Armageddon there will be a lot of work to do. Anyone who thinks the Thousand Years will be a long vacation is mistaken. We will have to cleanse the earth (Bible describes people traveling the earth to bury the dead) and prepare for the resurrection. New estimate is a resurrection of 30 billion people. Can you imagine 30 billion people reappearing on one day? No, it's not reasonable. We can assume that there will be a gradual resurrection (Insight book estimates 200-300 years), one generation at a time. This will make it possible to communicate with the previous generation. We will need to provide food and lodging for the newly resurrected ones. There may be special houses where the resurrections occur (those who died at sea won't be swimming to shore). We don't know if the dead will return with clothing or not, but we do know that they will be completely restored physically (no missing limbs, etc.). We can look forward to growing back hair, teeth, etc. Some animals already manifest such abilities (giant squid can grow back new arms and Amazonian fish grow new teeth over and over).

Do we really believe the end is near? Our decisions show what we truly believe. Don't seek great things for yourself (Jeremiah 45: 4, 5). This system is passing away. Rather seek first the kingdom. Jehovah has promised to preserve our souls as spoil and has offered us the opportunity to live as long as He does. What a privilege!

(There were 7,204 that attended this special talk at a rented convention center in Honolulu and 3,262 that were tied in at 21 other locations on the Hawaiian islands.

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Who lets it be known that they were once a JW?

by lfcviking in

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i am curious, for those of us here who have left the jw org, who actually lets it be known to people that they were once a practicing jw.. for me, this is something i tend to keep quiet because it is something i'm not particularly proud of.

anyone else feel the same way?.

lfcv.

Save My Soul

I gladly tell others that I was raised a JW. I work every holiday, do not cheat on my wife and enjoy raising my children. Those qualities make me stand out among co-workers.

I still have a great relationship with God and I am considered honest and SPIRITUAL by many.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.

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Does the Watchtower have any Credibility left?

by JH in

did the watchtower ever have any credibility, and if they did, when did they lose it?.

Save My Soul

Yes!! They are God's organization to the millions of new ones that have entered the org. To many old timers, they are still holding out hope that they eventually see the new order.

To those that have seen the light.....................We know the truth!!!

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Am I allowed to post?

by kzjw in

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Save My Soul

Please do not post here!! The elders will get a IM of your post immediately.m Stop while you are ahead.

You will not be allowed to comment for 2 meetings. It sound unreal, but it is true.

Danger!!! Danger!!!

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JW's and Homeschooling

by superman in

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in the mid-to-late 90's i remember the new trend was that a lot of the people that were jw's started pulling their kids out of regular public school and started homeschooling them.

the absolute worst were the kids who had been homeschooled from kindergarten all the way until they graduated.

those poor kids were the most weird, unsocial, naive,sheltered, unadjusted, and uneducated kids i'd ever met.

Save My Soul

While making a sheparding call an elder brought over a very tall young man to my door. He would be popular and into sports if allowed. I asked him, "What school did he attend?", but he said he was home schooled. I said, no!! you are kidding? The elder could not believe that I said that High School was a great experience. This was after the elder said that I was baptized at 13 at pioneered through HS. They promply left before I could corrupt this future elder.

sorry for the puncutation and spelling, it's late.